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The ZC Page
This is my story detailing my install of a ZC motor in my 1990 Honda CRX Si. The information is provided purely as informational and is not
intended to endorse a product or company nor is it meant to provide direct instruction.
This page last updated on 09/01/2001.
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| What did it cost? |
Phase 1 -
Engine Removal |
Tuning
and Performance |
| ZC Specifications |
Phase 2 -
Engine Assembly
How to set the ZC timing
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Accurate
ZC Parts
List
(everything you need to replace) |
| ZC
Links on the Web |
Phase 3 -
Engine Installation |
DX/STD to ZC Wiring |
| Where
To Order Your ZC |
The
GReddy Turbo Project on a ZC Engine |
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Frequently Asked ZC Questions
Q - I've hard that the serial number on the ZC
engine can tell you about where it came from?
A - wil@crx.org tells us that ZCs
with a serial number starting with 2 is from Civic/CR-X and with a 5 is
2nd-gen Integra
Q - What clutch do I need for my 88/89/90-91 CRX
and what type of flywheel can I use?
A - Check my transmission page for that
information.
Q - What is the difference between the
"ZC" ECU and the 88-89 Integra ECU?
A - The ZC ECU comes from the car that originally had the D16A8/9 (ZC) - thus one would assume that it is "perfectly" matched to the engine.
The 88-89 Integra ECU comes from the, you guess it, 88-89 Integra. This car came with the D16A1 engine that was a 1.6l DOHC engine (no it does not bolt into a second gen) that was very close (but not exactly the same) to the ZC. Since the Integra's are easy to find here in the US that is the reason it is cheaper.
Q - Do I need special mount kits or shift linkage
for the ZC swap?
A - There is no need for mount kits or shift linkage for the ZC swap -
it's is "identical" on the mounts and tranny to the D16A6 and
D15Bx engines.
Q - I hear that the ZC engines aren't very reliable
and have problems.
A - Two issues are at hand here - first is that these are used
engines and despite the "30k" number everyone seems to throw
around they are still used. The best thing you can do is ensure that
you have a compression test done on your engine prior to having it shipped
(expect 160psi or better in each cylinder) and better yet is a "leak
down" test that determines through the use of compressed air, how
much "leakage" each cylinder has and where it is leaking from. The second is that you
should take the time to not only install it right but also replace all the
parts that generally can be easily replaced (see
a list of those parts here). Also try to get a newer engine
(1991) engine if possible (check below for how to look for manufacture
year markings)
Q - Do I need to rebuild the engine prior to
putting it in?
A - This is really your choice. There is no doubt rebuilding
it will add some life and reliability to the engine but in my opinion, the
internals are generally fine (though leak down and compression tests would
be a better way to determine this). If you plan on going forced induction
with a turbo at something above 10psi then rebuilding with a better bottom
end would be highly recommended.
Q - I hear that these engines come with broken
parts - is that true?
A - Yes it is true. Not always but some engines come with
various different parts broken - pulleys, sensors, throttle bodies and so
forth. Is it a major problem? Not really, just replace the
items with the stock items (such at the throttle body) or make a trip to
the junk yard and get the affected part.
Q - I'd rather do a B-Series swap than a ZC swap.
A - By all means do it! The B-Series swaps are much greater horse
power (as much as the 160hp range) but with that also comes much greater cost and
complexity with B series swaps running well over $2000 without
installation. I feel most people with reasonable technical skills
should be able to swap in the ZC no problem.
Q - Do I need an Integra ECU for my ZC to
work? Does it work better?
A - Even though you don't need a new ECU the engine does run better
with the Integra ECU. You can purchase one from a Junk Yard or have
your current ECU re-programmed (Si owners) by Zdyne (http://www.zdyne.com).
The reason the 88-89 Integra is used is because that car came with the
D16A1 engine, which was DOHC and very similar to the D16A8/9 (ZC).
Q - Do I need to purchase the ZC Transmission to
work with the ZC engine?
A - Your current HF/DX/Si transmission will fit up to the ZC engine
just fine. The advantage to the ZC transmission is it's equal length
shafts (you must purchase new half-shafts for the ZC transmission) and
it's lower gearing. The major issue with the ZC transmission is the
short 5th gear - though you can take the internals from an Si and ZC
transmission and mate them together. Exact ratios and clutch
information can be found on my transmission page.
Q - Is $xxxx to much for a ZC Swap?
A - The answer to this depends - primarily on where you live and
the if qualified people live in your area to perform your swap. The
general "going" rate is about $500-600 for labor only by someone
who is "very" qualified. I would not pay someone that has
not done a swap to do your swap.
Q - I have a DX (Civic or CRX) and would like to do
a ZC swap - can I?
A - Sure! Just take a look at the DX
swap page for more information. Other than the additional
wiring, it's the standard swap. Make sure you know EXACTLY which
wires need to be spliced to which wires BEFORE you start. |
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The packing on the engine was pretty good with shrink wrap
(not shown) and metal banding to hold it down. |
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Wonder exactly how "old" your ZC engine is?
If you look between the 2nd and 3rd cylinder (above the dipstick), above the header, you will
see the 2 digit date stamp of manufacture. This engine is 1988. |
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If at a later point you decide that a ZC engine isn't doing
it for you - switch to the Damion powered engine. This Damion
powered CRX dyno'ed at an incredible 230hp at the wheels when fueled only 500 calorie
Burger King
Whoppers! |
Where To Order
Your ZC
Check my JDM Importers Web Page
for a complete list of companies that will import ZC engines.
Expect to pay about $450-$650 for a long block with the intake/exhaust
manifold and distributor. You might also expect to have a broken throttle
body or other items, so don't be surprised.
What Did It
Cost?
Everyone will tell you that it was, oh, $600 to pop in their ZC swap. I
don't "half-ass" too much and this swap wasn't any different.
Here are ALL the costs of the swap that I incurred:
| ZC Engine from Soshin Motors |
$550 |
| Engine Shipping |
$73 |
| Oil &Filter (Mobil-1), Engine Cleaners |
$39 |
| Transmission Oil and Antifreeze |
$34 |
| ACT Clutch from R&E Racing |
$276 |
| Bosh O2 Sensor |
$35 |
| "New" Radiator |
$175 |
| "Pulled"
Integra ECU |
$108 |
| Rear
& Crank Shaft Seals |
$35 |
| Water Pump |
$54 |
| One
More Mount |
$35 |
| Fuel
Injector
Seal Kit (all four) |
$32 |
| A/C and
Alternator Belts |
$32 |
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Total
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$1478 |
Tuning and
Performance Suggestions
My first impressions of the swap? I am amazed at the quite
idle of the ZC - I'm not sure if this is due to the new engine mounts or just
the ZC, all I know is it is quite! After getting out on the road I decided
to give it a few full throttle runs. Now, previously with the stock engine
I could "squeal wheels" through part of first if I ran it all the way
up to redline but nothing exciting. With the ZC in (and a new clutch) I
can "squeal wheels" all the way though first and part of the way into
second - mind you this is NOT normal driving for me. Overall response is much better even in lower
RPM's. This IS the engine that should have been in the USDM CRX
Si. Listed
below is my gas mileage prior and after the ZC swap
(as they say - your mileage may vary - and I know other people that have better
and worse mileage with the ZC):
| Date |
Odom |
US
Gals |
Price
Paid |
Price/Gal |
Miles |
MPG |
Notes |
| 11/15/99 |
127,638 |
8.708 |
$10.27 |
1.18 |
306 |
35.14 |
Stock |
| 11/27/99 |
127,875 |
7.2 |
$9.15 |
1.27 |
237 |
32.92 |
Replaced Fuel
Filter |
| 12/11/99 |
128,164 |
8.202 |
$10.00 |
1.22 |
289 |
35.24 |
Stock |
| 12/17/99 |
128,446 |
8.804 |
$10.73 |
1.22 |
282 |
32.03 |
Stock |
| 12/27/99 |
128,705 |
7.619 |
$10.51 |
1.38 |
259 |
33.99 |
Stock Motor |
| 01/12/00 |
128,928 |
8.44 |
$11.81 |
1.40 |
223 |
26.42 |
Swap Done Here -
93 Octane |
| 01/19/00 |
129,182 |
8.396 |
$11.07 |
1.32 |
254 |
30.25 |
ZC Post Swap - 89
Octane |
| 01/26/00 |
129,446 |
9.013 |
$11.53 |
1.28 |
264 |
29.29 |
ZC 87 Octane |
| 02/11/00 |
129,674 |
7.301 |
$9.34 |
1.28 |
228 |
31.23 |
ZC 87 Octane |
ZC Specs
The following are the ZC (D16A8) specs to the best of my knowledge
| Item |
Metric Measurement |
English Measurement |
| Bore and Stroke |
75 x 90 mm |
2.95 x 3.54 in |
| Compression Ratio |
9.1 without Catalytic Converter
9.5 with Catalytic Converter |
| Displacement |
1.590 cm3 (cc) |
97 cubic inches |
| Horse Power |
~125ps at 6800 RPM |
| Valve Train |
4 Valves Per Cylinder - 16 Total |
ZC Parts List and
Part Cross Reference
Anything with a Honda part number is the item I purchased and
actually fit into the ZC engine. I can not be held responsible for errors
in this list even though I have made every effort to make sure everything is
correct. Just a note - if anything has a SH3 then it's an 88-91 CRX part
(more than likely). Any item
that is in RED should be considered a required part
for replacement. If you are willing to mail order and wait a week or two
you can save the sales tax and get a cheaper price if you get your parts from
these folks:
Honda Parts (indicated in chart below)
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com
1-800-341-4113
(I've had very good service from these folks and their on-line web site is
great!)
http://www.hparts.com - I've never used them
Acura Parts (indicated in chart below)
http://www.onelovemedia.com/naples
- or 1-800-79ACURA talk with Mike K in Parts
http://www.ahmotor.com
| Part |
Source |
Part
Number |
Honda
Part |
Acura
Part |
List
Price |
Notes |
| Alternator
Belt |
88-91
CRX |
31110-PM5-305 |
X |
|
15.13 |
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| A/C
Belt |
88-91
CRX |
38920-PM5-A04 |
X |
|
15.13 |
This
is for a Denso compressor but yours may be different. |
| Timing Belt |
1988
Prelude 2.0 Si |
14400-PK2-004 |
X |
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33.58 |
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| Engine Mounts |
88-91
CRX |
50821-SH3-040
50805-SH3-030
50810-SH3-040
50840-SH3-000 |
X |
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64.25
58.58
52.85
36.60 |
Do
yourself a favor and replace them - they'll be bad. |
| Thermostat |
88-91
CRX |
19300-PM3-003 |
X |
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13.67 |
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| Crank
Seal |
89
Integra |
91212-PE0-662 |
|
X |
18.63 |
80x10mm |
| Rear
Main Seal |
89
Integra |
91214-PH3-751 |
|
X |
13.28 |
31x46mm |
| Cam
Oil
Seals |
89
Integra |
91203-PG6-013 |
|
X |
4.77 |
Need
2 seals |
| Valve
Cover Gasket |
89
Integra |
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|
X |
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| Radiator Hose Upper
& Lower |
1984
Accord - Top
88-91CRX-Bottom |
19501-PD2-000
19502-PM3-000 |
X |
|
22.05
22.63 |
The
top hose must be trimmed. |
| Distributor Cap & Rotor |
|
30102-PM5-305
(Integra Part note the PM5) |
X |
X |
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Oddly
the OEM Integra cap didn't fit but the Si one did. You got me... |
| Exhaust Gasket |
89
Integra |
18110-PG6-003 |
|
X |
15.68 |
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| Water Pump |
89-91
CRX |
19200-P01-004 |
X |
|
58.83 |
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| Oil Filter |
88-89
Integra
88-91 CRX |
15400-PR3-004
Fram PH3539A |
X |
X |
Varies |
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| Spark Plug Wires |
1989
Integra |
32722-PG7-A00 |
|
X |
42.00 |
You
can get aftermarket. The CRX plugwires sit about 1" off the valve
cover. |
| Throttle Body & TP Sensor |
1989-91 CRX
1988-89 Acura Integra with the D16A1 engine
|
N/A |
X |
X |
About
40-70 at the junk yard or $300 from dealer |
Use
your old TB if you have an Si or make a trip to the junk yard if you have
a DX - you'll have to get a new TB. |
| ECU (OK) |
1989-91
CRX/Civic Si |
N/A |
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| ECU
(Better) |
1988-89
Integra |
37820-PG7-A013
The part number may vary depending on the year. |
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Junkyard
~100.00 |
Must be 5-speed
ECU
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| ECU
(Best) |
1989-1991
ZC |
37820-PM7-0330
(Not verified) |
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$150-$200 |
112mph
Speed Limit
(did not purchase) |
| ECU |
Your
Current ECU |
www.zdyne.com |
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|
Call |
Zydne
will "make" your current ECU into a ZC ECU. |
| Spark Plugs |
88-89Integra
98-91 CRX |
NGK
BCPR6E-11 |
X |
X |
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| Head Gasket |
89
Integra |
12251-PM7-003 |
|
X |
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| Intake Gasket |
89
Integra |
17105-PG6-S00 |
|
X |
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| Si Pressure Plate / Disk |
|
|
X |
|
|
See
the tranny page |
| Si Throw Out Bearing |
|
|
X |
|
|
See
the tranny page |
| Exhaust
Header |
88-91
CRX/Civic |
DC Sports
or Kamikaze from ARD Performance
Stock 88-91 Header with modification |
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|
After
Market $200 to $400
or Stock |
Check
here for info on how to modify your stock header/exhaust manifold |
| Oil
Pan Gasket |
88-91CRX/Civic |
Can
use aftermarket |
X |
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|
I
have verified this part |
| Cam
Angle Sensor |
88-89
Integra |
Use
Junkyard Replacement |
|
X |
$5
- $30 |
Only
if shipped with damaged sensor. |
| Distributor |
88/89
Integra |
Use
Junkyard replacement |
|
X |
~$100-150 |
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Links to other ZC pages on the Net
Be sure to look around at ALL the resources on the web before starting your
swap. I think you will find mostly correct information and some wrong
information so be careful.
| Page Title |
URL Link |
Comments |
| ZC Info Page |
http://www.quickhonda.net/ |
Good re-build info |
| ZC to Si Swap |
http://www.geocities.com/civiczc/zcswap2.html |
Great Step-By-Step Details |
| ZC L3 Transmission Information |
http://www.geocities.com/tjsite/l3.htm |
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| ZC Information |
http://www.wco.com/%7Esosteen/mycrx.htm |
Some general information |
| ZC Swap |
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Lane/4353/ZC_Swap2.html |
A swap done pretty much like mine - by a mechanic.
After market info. |
| Generic ZC Page |
http://members.xoom.com/zceas/defcon4/zc/zc.htm |
Lots of Spec sheets |
| "THE" CRX Shop Manual |
http://www.helminc.com/ |
Helms Manual |
| "ZC" D16A8 Shop Manual |
Well, me and my friend in the UK, Joe Prentice, where
going to start selling a manual he found in the UK for a rebadged Honda
Concerto that came with the ZC's UK counterpart, the D16A8, this is a
Haynes Manual for the 216 & 416 Rover, available ONLY in the UK
and we didn't know that anyone can buy this manual straight from the
Haynes(UK) website and have this shipped to your door for like $40 U.S. or
like $65 CAN, so we decided to just let the world know of the good news
and let any interested party buy the manual DIRECT from Haynes and
not thru us, anyhow, the manual covers the D16A6 as well as the D16A8
(UK's ZC) in very good detail, I have an original copy that Joe Prentice
sent me to evaluate and see if it was going to be useful for us U.S. and
CAN ZC Owners, and it really is, this manual has ALL the Torque
Specs for the ZC plus it explains overhaul procedures and all, it has been
very useful to me, since I'm doing a rebuild on my ZC, the only difference
I have found between the ZC we have and the D16A8 is the way the D16A8's
Main Bearing caps are, our ZC's has a one piece main cap 'bridge', the
D16A8 has something similar to what holds the cams together in the head,
but THAT'S IT, no more differences that I have found, I really
recommend this manual to anyone that has or is planning to own a ZC, it's
a must have, along with the Helms for your car...
Here is the link for http://www.haynes.co.uk/inc/mt_manuals.asp?stage=1
This is the info to order it: Choose ROVER from the Menu and click
'GO', then on the Model Menu, click on 216 and then 'GO' On the next Menu,
click on the manual for the 216 & 416, this is the manual you want. |
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| "Swaps" Page |
www.geocities.com/crx288 |
This is a page with various CRX swaps. As always - be
sure to verify the information. |
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